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Anyone here know of a fool proof way to bury things for safe keeping. I was looking into pelican cases, but they are quite pricey. I have a friend that may want to bury some assorted treasure. I think they mentioned PM's and rifles. I, on the other hand, will willingly point any officials to my guns, metals and food. Oh yeah, and I'll take that shot right here :moon:

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i've heard PVC tubes are good for caching rifles, with rounded caps
and i've made multiple caches using 5 gal pails

http://www.germes-online.com/direct/...d_PVC_Tube.jpg http://www.disasterstuff.com/store/p.../CT5GBW350.jpg

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+1 for the PVC tubes. Use a post-hole digger to bury them. I don't know where you live; but the best place to bury them would be in the centre of a dirt road. That would be the LAST place they'd look. if you're burying them on your property, bury other pieces my steel in the area to make them hopefully give up if they're using a metal detector. Hope this helps

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Beware of metal detectors.

Perhaps bury them beneath underground pipe.

Bury in a "junk" yard.

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Thanks for the PVC, never thought of that. I reckon if I aerate my yard with about 20 or so rounds of birdshot, that will put a seriuos kink in any kinf of metal detecting.

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If you feel forced to bury your guns, the reason for owning them has arrived.

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Mossberg actually sells a survival version of the 500. Comes complete with a survival kit in a big old metal round tube perfect for burying in the ground. Retails for like 300.

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what good is buried gun?

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if its time to bury them.....its time to use them:evil:

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I feel like the thread has been derailed on what is and is not prudent to bury. I, for one, am very interested in the means and methods of burying items and not having to worry about the condition of said items upon retrieval. The PVC pipe idea is great for things that fit in a pipe. The bucket idea seems like an overly large hole to have to dig and I'm not certain a 5gal pail will withstand a few tons of dirt and adverse conditions for very long. What if someone wanted to bury something the size of say, the average 50cal ammo can? Is the can itself sufficient enclosure? I think not as I've seen them rust to pieces. Issues of metal detection aside, what are good containers and methods of sealing and supporting the weight of the dirt?

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You're awakened in the middle of the night by a loud banging at the door and then its kicked in. A gun confiscation squad is entering your home. You had no idea that things were this bad because they kept it quiet, but tonight, groups of usurpers recruited by ACORN and backed by local law enforcement are making their rounds "confiscating" all firearms now deemed "illegal" by emergency executive order. You've been totally caught with your pants down. There is no hope of resistance at this moment as they haul off your gun collection, but thats ok. You've cached some handguns, a couple SKS's, and some quality scoped bolt action rifles along with a nice stash of ammo. Tomarrow, you'll start doing your part in the Second American Revolution.

Theres one scenerio for ya where having a secret stash would be benficial. Hope for the best, plan for the worst, and fight like hell.

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Bury under a Junk car in in Junky Woods.

Bury onder a metal fence post.

Hire a well driller to drill and line a 30 ft deep hole then drop down the goods on a nylon rope.

Fill a fence post with PMs.

This is so fun I'm gonna make up some more.

E-A

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not sure how you see " a few tons of dirt " over a 5 gal pail ?
how deep are you digging ?

the holes for my pails are about 3 feet deep
so the pail top has at least one foot of dirt on top of it
( i return the next week to check out the spot for settling, etc )
as much as depth helps cache security,
i put more faith in location remoteness ( off the beaten path )

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I've buried surplus ammo boxes full of silver and dug them up a year later. No rust, no moisture inside, no tarnish. The ones you had seen rusted probably had been on a salty beach somewhere.
6" PVC tubes with threaded end caps (use petroleum jelly on the threads) work so well that I think you could bury guns underwater.
I've seen 55 gallon drums with large screw lids. I think they would be great in well drained soils. You could even put the ammo cans in them so you don't have to clean the mud off afterwards. The opening could be 10" below the surface while the contents could be 30" deep, thus indetectable with metal detectors.
Another trick is to bury 15" plastic culverts horizontally on a hillside and slide 5 gallon buckets in them.

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If you have a horde of any "substianial" size the odds of them just taking your guns and not you as well are slim to none.

Just saying.


T

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They would have to be pretty determines to metal detect around your yard for general round of items(guns, gold, etc).

Can you imagine a nation wide sweep for guns. The logistics would be nuts. Now add into that metal detecting everybodys yard, spending hours per house looking for what might be nothing while all the neighbors in the area start locking and loading. What if you have 20 acres of land you think they are going to metal detec all 20 acres? You'd really have to have a specific target on your back.

I think the threat of metal detectors is slim to none, at least in your yard at any rate. The risk of the other scenarios, well thats a little more pressing.

But like the others have said, when the time comes to burry your guns, is the time to use them for their intended purpose.

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Denso tape will stop any rust or pail problems. In fact, given the amount of weak piss-ants they are accepting into the services at the minute, even the greasy feel of the stuff will probably make them run away. At my BO place I had an old 303 Enfield wrapped in denso - dug it up about a week ago, after 15 years, and after a proper clean it looks just like it did when I buried it. No pipes, pails, etc - just filthy Denso tape.

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Yes, it is. Some of my very best hiding places are handmade functional assemblies that carry a payload that was installed during construction. Just remember not to hide in an assembly that itself might be stolen (which a fence post fits the bill perfectly).

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what if you littered with this stuff
http://www.interstatemusic.com/webap...roductId=89714

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For smaller stuff.....
Pack into battery compartments on 110 capable items.
HA! Put stuff in safe deposit boxes! Safe as houses! (I enjoy the absurd)
Oil pan covers-valve covers on old farm equipment.
Above light fixtures.
Found an 8ball behind the dash panel of a car I was working on several years back.
Geocaching has its merits....if you don't need GPS to find it.
Handguns in CPUs.

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IMO, both of these ideas fail the "would this item be stolen" test.
The last thing you want is for a burglar to unwittingly nab your guns and PMs because he took your computer or a boombox.

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He He

If in the computer and their is enough pm's in it
they would not be able to move it...

He He

Just saying for a grin.


:biggrin:

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i think if you're burying something like a seed stash, you need to use a metal box as part of the storage device, to stop the rodents.

i had my seed collection ravaged by a rat in my storage space. it was so thorough that it became downright entertaining. the thing is like a f*cking mini-Terminator, it even test-chewed a hard drive backup i had in there. it drank a pint of Safer Soap concentrate - one whole pint of un-diluted potassium fatty acids - and kept chewing.

after surveying the damage i was honestly questioning whether even an aluminum tool chest (1/8" thick aluminum) could stop a determined rat.

i'm not sure what the trick is when you're burying stuff except to keep it dry & not have another person dig it up. but i really do think you need to plan for varmints.

if you have a plastic case and a hungry rodent gets the idea that there might be food inside - or is just exercising its teeth - you will soon have a plastic case with holes in it. which is not good if you're trying to keep things dry.

i used to have some 20 gallon klystron shipping drums, like a miniature oil drum with a secure lid that would have been perfect for the task. 1/8" steel, rat-proof & waterproof. of course, they are metallic.

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Sure, but risk is risk. If you don't want it stolen, don't own it.....ah, but there's the rub. There can be a balance between hiding and using.

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A shovel usually works best...


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as a former land surveyor...

LOL :cry1:- don't do that


no offense steyr

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That stuff isn't cheap!

http://www.tmgp.com/cgi-bin/nph-tame...e-coatings.tam

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I actually took about a year figuering that one out. Pop the Cap and drop em down.

Metal detector goes off but of course there another explination.
Plenty of room.

Neighbors property also, instead of in your house in case its rifled.
Super easy to get to--Pop it open with a hammer and a cresant plyers.
Easy to keep an eye on. Just look out the kitchen window.
Easy to retrieve.

Hidden in plain sight

E-A

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There must be a cheaper way to get it than that - practically every cast iron pipe put in the ground in the UK is wrapped in the stuff first! But if it's still not cheap - well, neither are PMs, or replacement firearms...
You could make it yourself if you don't mind spending a while massaging CV joint grease or similiar into open-weave canvas...

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Don't bury stuff in or around gas lines, water pipes, or electrical cabling. Such stuff can be excavated for repair.

Don't bury your stuff in the perfect place. The perfect place is where people would look.

I honestly wouldn't worry about metal detectors or deep penetrating ground radar. How often do you see strangers running metal detectors over your neighbor's yard?

If they don't know they won't know to look.

Only paranoid lunatics do midnight gardening. Try and act normal.

A simple plastic tackle box will suffice if you seal the lid with silicone caulk and mix some silica gel dessicant in with your PMs. Wrap the tackle box in a couple plastic bags.

I wouldn't bother burying more then a few feet deep. The deeper you bury it the longer it will take to retrieve it. Don't bury more then fifty pounds of PM in one location. You don't want to hurt your back trying to get it out.

Keep in mind that you may be much older when you try and retrieve your goods. Older meaning, it may take a lot more effort to use a shovel.

Don't take your PMs to your grave. You could die unexpectedly and/or suddenly. Provide a means by which somebody you love could become a beneficiary of your misfortune should fate take a turn for the worse.

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Best way to bury items? Simple.....by yourself. All secrets are doomed with the first person you tell. Just like with some other metal items, if you want things to stay in the family however in the event you get the big dirt nap, tell only one trusted family member who preferably lives half way across the country.

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Use a smaller PVC pipe inside a larger one. When you retrieve your stash, you just take the end cap off the large pipe and pull out the small pipe. Much less excavation that way.

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Bury something under a pile of manure or compost. Bury it under a potato tower.

Bury it inside an outbuilding under some concrete, or where feed and equipment is stored- you can have privacy in both burying it and digging it up.

I like the old farm equipment/junkyard concept most of all. Strew the area with a bunch of nasty sharp rusty stuff, acessible by a serpentine path only you know.

Put ammo cans into two large heavy duty plastic garbage bags, first one sealed with the end up, the other sealed with the end down. This will keep away ground moisture and dirt. You could do the same thing with metal or plastic 5 gal buckets, then put the ammo cans in them.

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When i was a kid i had a huge marble collection. I was always interested in stories of buried treasure and i thought i'll go bury my collection and then when i wanted it i'd go dig it up.

Spent a lot of time stepping it off from various trees in the area and buried it down a good 3' as i loved to dig holes, then forgot about it.

Next spring one warm sunny day i decided to go dig it up but over the winter several trees in the area were blown down in a major storm which dad had then hooked on to and pulled away.

I dug until i was exhausted several times, never did find those marbles.

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Is there some reason why everyone recommends PVC pipe instead of ABS? In my area large diameter PVC seems to be hard to find and sells for a premium over large diameter ABS.
I just measured some 4" ABS and 1 qt ball jars fit nicely inside them, that would work well for stashes that might need accessing on a regular basis: post hole a hole a bit deeper than your pipe, insert a 4" pipe with a threaded cap, fill with ball jars on a lift of some sort, and cover with dirt.

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The guy in the video should use pvc primer before applying the glue. It softens up the pipe a bit, and makes a better seal than using glue alone.

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When this occurs, it had BETTER be AFTER 90% of all guns have already been turned in, because...'they'...will run out of jackboots to send in about 3 days. Armed citizens will enter jails and prisons and release everybody convicted of violating a...'gun law'.

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Hmmm...an interesting method of burial might be fifteen feet up a 50' cliff. That would make it amazingly difficult for people to metal detect. :s1:

You'd have to be slick about ensuring there were no "tell-tales" that excavation was done but if you could manage that I'd think there'd be little chance of people accidently detecting your stash.

As for diligent searchers...they'd certainly find it after they put the thumb screws to you or somebody you love. Short of something along those lines, I'd think your stuff would be safe.

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Nothing is foolproof. If you find a better way, the world will produce better fools.

And IMO a buried gun is about as useful as a buried fire extinguisher.

Here is one that doesn't need to be buried.

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Oh yes, another patriot ready to start the next revolution the minute tyrants even think about treading on him. That is, unless it means having to leave the computer for anything other than snacks or going potty.

If I had a $10 federal reserve note for every time I've read this kind of bravado online, I would be having too much fun to care about gold, guns, or freedom.

As it is, I wish the patriotards out there would put up or shutup. If you haven't noticed already they have been "infringing" upon the second amendment for close to 100 years - where have guys like you been to stop it?

This kind of talk makes all of us look like paper tigers; but then again, maybe that's exactly what you are trying to achieve?

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I confess that I dug them up the night after you buried them.
They were indeed some kick-ass marbles and I sold them later for a king's ransom.
Sorry; I thought you knew.bancha :signs14:

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I'd have to agree though...

Why bury them? If you gotta bury em you should be out in your local removing the threat.

Its not BRAVADO, it is what it is.

I'm not burying shit. If the threat comes, the threat will be delt with. That doesn't mean you can't have a backup out in the bush though ;) The tubes wil work.

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Interesting little article about burying a gun for years and digging it up.

www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html

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I pray to God that you are correct and I also pray it never comes to that. :RockOn: